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generation in the white house us today i hope and pray their souls -- they find out where their souls will end up. thank you, god bless. host: thanks for watching. we will be back tomorrow morning with your phone calls, e-mails, and tweets. enjoy the rest of your monday. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute] ♪ >> the federal government shutdown is into its second week this week. it is 10 days before they run out of money to pay it bills. both issues will be discussed on the house and senate floors today. lawmakers will vote on temporary
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ones of the food and drug administration while negotiations continue. "washington, aurnal" talked with border -- reporter to find out what was going on. >> let's begin with what we heard. what do you have to say? i do not expect a clean one to be brought to the house floor. will with the there are. senate republicans are not going to provide the votes that would be necessary to get it through the senate.
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given all the speculation over the last week that this was something he would do, it is possible he felt that he needed to make it clear that he will do something on the debt and the deficit. >> let's show our viewers what he had to say when he was on "abc this week." >> i told the president that there is no way that they're going to pass. the president is risking default by not having a conversation with us. >> we are not going down that path. time to deal with america's problems. how can you do nothing about the underlying problem? this year the federal government had more revenue than any year in the history of our country and yet we are still going to have a nearly 700 ilya and
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dollar budget deficit. we are stronger in the future for not dealing with these problems? host: david drucker, joining us on the phone from "the washington examiner." what are republicans saying that they want in exchange for raising the debt ceiling? caller: a good question. we are not sure yet. spending, economic growth and other things, putting together some sort of legislative vehicle. it looks very similar to the bill that republicans intended a few weeks ago. they are probably going to look for something regarding the affordable care act, repeal, or something else.
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they have been clear all along that they expected to do something with the debt ceiling other than a debt ceiling increase. there were many republicans that did not want to go this route, tactically, with the government shutdown and spending. they wanted to pass a clean continuing resolution. they did not have the same level of support at all for the clean
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cr. i think that over the next few days by the end of the week we will know sort of what they are wrangling to negotiate as a part of this. host: so, what did we hear from the administration yesterday? caller: they are not going to increase the federal borrowing limit. democrats are trying to break the precedent set in 2011. senate democrats and the administration are freaking out about this. >> what does this mean for the government shutdown? >> it means that the government to shut down until the debt ceiling is resolved. both sides are pretty dug in around the shutdown and if you ask them why, they will say that if they give here, imagine what the other side will do on the debt ceiling. i think that both of these wind up getting wrapped up together. the closer that we get to that,
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the harder that it is to solve the issue of the government shutdown without one side or the other worrying that they will lose negotiating leverage. i think it will all be wrapped up in one big decision negotiation. if they can solve them both, they will solve them together. host: why are people calling this a partial government shutdown the echo caller: well, not everything has gone dark. even when it started, immediately there were some agencies and other things that did not shut down. congress passed a bill making sure that members of the military get paid. it is not a 100% government shutdown, the impact will be severe but it is not 100%. host: what do you expect the house and the senate are working on today echo -- today? caller: nothing important.
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unless something has changed over the weekend that we are not aware of, i expect the house to continue to work on some of these piecemeal bills, as we have been calling them. today the senate will pass the bill making sure that furlough employees get paid back pay once the bill is shut down, but other than that i would not expect much. host: thank you for your time, sir. caller: you are welcome, thank you. host: day number seven of the partial government shutdown, 10 likes we have a facebook poll today on how much has the government shutdown at acted you. there are 3100 comments so far. you can offer your reaction at
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i know firsthand of the importance of chaplains. these are not being offered at all. have been furlough. this is an extremely important issue for all of us to work together. there is no doubt that the furloughing of persons contracted to perform the duties of chaplains has an effect. just in this region, church services, weddings, baptisms have been curtailed. the active-duty priest at the navy yard canceled mass there. it's a larger church. they do not have a priest there
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this weekend. at for belfour, half of the masses have been canceled -- at belvoir. what's more disturbing is that the general schedule of contractor chaplains are being told that if they do come to their jobs, they will be trespassing. this is just not right. the performance of religious services and the provision of ministry are protected activity under the first amendment of the united states constitution. if the department of the interior can permit world were ii veterans to visit the memorial constructed to honor the service, then certainly the secretary of defense can permit similar first amendment activities. the secretary can and must allow military chaplains and other personnel, including contract personnel hired to perform duties of a military chaplain to
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perform religious services and ministry. in the same manner and to the same extent as such chaplains and other personnel are otherwise permitted to perform religious services and ministry when there is an appropriation. it is that simple. so, mr. speaker, i urge the secretary of defense to do the simple thing, the right thing -- allow all chaplains in the armed forces to be their military and federal civilian employees and contractors to minister unhindered to the men and women of the armed forces. i congratulate my colleague, doug collins, of georgia, for bringing this resolution to the floor and urge all member to support it. i reserve the balance of my time. >> the derailment from south carolina reserves is time. the judgment from washington. >> i yield myself as much time as i may consume. i do not oppose this resolution as it sounds sensible, but i do want to raise a couple of process issues.
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i found about this 20 minutes ago. i think it is just emblematic of how much this body has broken down. we have to talk to each other. i do not have any objection to this. i have got staff, the armed services committee has a staff. we have worked together in the armed services committee better than any other committee in this congress. i will grant you that is not saying much, but we have. we just simply have to talk to each other. why would they spring this on us at the last minute? not have communication about it. getting past this individual issue is emblematic of the entire problem. now, the republicans are complaining because the senate is not talking to them and the president is not talking to them about the c.r. and the debt ceiling, but we have reached an epidemic of not talking to each other on something as small as this. we cannot -- >> will the gentleman yield? >> gladly. >> mr. smith, i agree.
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i want to commend you. we work together in extra very fashion. in fact, the national defense authorization act has passed the house as an indication of your good will and good faith. i believe the reason this has come up so quickly, of course, is because this was only learned late yesterday. the consequence of the thought of chaplains to be declared trespassing is inconceivable. and it needs to be addressed. >> right. again, the communications level has fallen apart. on our side of the aisle, we do not know from one minute up to the next what. we will be voting on reclaiming my time. the schedule has been changed at a moments notice. even back in the shutdown of 1995, there is greater communication between the majority and minority about what
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was going on. in fact, we had a lot of these small little bills that fund and little pieces of the government, but the one thing the majority did is they granted the full house a vote on -- and what a clean resolution means is, it only pertains to spending. it does not pertain to other policy issues. that vote was granted. house republicans voted it down. but at least we had a vote, ok? and then we also had a discussion about what we could fund during the shutdown. the complete and utter breakdown in communication between the majority party, the minority party, the white house and us is doing it unbelievable disservice to this country. i do not care if we get in a room and yell at each other for four hours. at least we have communication. we all have our talking points. i have heard them so much.
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i am sure the american people and i are sick to death of those talking points. they are poll tested, they play to the base, and here we are in day five going nowhere. the basic problem here, number one on the c.r., is the health care policy issue, that basically republicans -- this is no secret -- want to get rid of the health care law. they do not have the votes to do it. they are therefore willing to hold up the funding of the government to advance their policy agenda. that plays into the larger issue. i also want to tell you that we are about what is it, 12 days now away from defaulting. and we are going to default at this point, because what i hear from my republican colleagues is, no, we do not want to default. as long as we cut enough spending as long as we do tax reform, we will be fine. which is what we have been
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hearing since january, 2000 11. i just want to explain briefly to the american people what the difference in the positions are here. i'm going to be as honest as i can be. republicans believe we should cut spending, and that means discretionary spending. -- that means entitlements because we have artie cut discretionary spending. the deficit is high so they want to cut spending. the president has put entitlement cuts on the table. the difference of opinion is whether or not we should also raise taxes as part of that deal to deal with the deficit here at the president, the senate, democrats in the house, which i realize is irrelevant because we do not have the votes, but unfortunately for you guys, they do in the senate and the president has the veto. if there is going to be any entitlement cuts, they have to be accompanied by tax increases and republicans say absolutely not, we're not going to do that. so that is the divide. the problem is the republicans won 234 seats in the house.
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they lost the overall vote in congress by a count of 52 to 48. but they did not win the presidency or the senate. so they are trying to take those 234 votes and jam their broader agenda down everybody's throat, and the peace that they have is they are willing to not fund the government and not raise the debt ceiling in order to put us in a bad position to do that. i'll tell you, democrats cannot vote to cut entitlements if there are not tax increases attached them. so i hope somebody somewhere wakes up to this reality before we default and stops insisting that somehow miraculously in the next 12 days democrats are going to magically agreed to cut entitlements with no revenue, and maybe do some eight tax reform bill to cut taxes even further. that reality does not set in, we're in for several weeks of great calamity that will cause greater damage than what has been caused here. with that, i support the resolution. i reserve the balance of my time. >> gentleman from south carolina is recognized. >> excuse me, mr. speaker, i
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again want to commend mr. smith. he indeed has reached across to try to work together. and by referencing the shutdown in 1995. there is a difference, and it begins at the top. sadly, the president of the united states two weeks ago last night called to announce he was not going to negotiate. in 1995, in the said there was communication between the president and the speaker prior to the shutdown and during the entire shutdown. i yield two minutes to my friend and colleague, the gentleman from louisiana. >> the gentleman from louisiana is recognized for two minutes. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i thank congressman wilson. i also thank my good friend doug collins for bringing this measure up today. mr. speaker, the first amendment rights of our military do not sunset with the lack of appropriations or even a shutdown. the free exercise of religion is
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codified in the constitution of the united states and celebrated by every american, including those of us who have, do or will wear the uniform. military chaplains faithfully serve unique role in the military -- bridging the gap between faith and freedom and ensuring that peoples of all the leaves are able to celebrate mass or participate in a worship service according to the dictates of their faith. despite this protected right, the department of defense has decided to effectively close the doors of many churches and chapels this weekend by not allowing military chaplains to perform their religious duties on military installations because the federal government is has not passed a relevant appropriations bill of fy2014. mr. speaker, i contend the freedom of religion does not follow the federal government fiscal policy. the freedom of religion is a 24/7 constitutional right that
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should garner on confusional -- garner unconditional support from this administration and our military leaders. i stand strong with the brave men and women serving in the military and urge my colleagues to support this resolution. i yield back. >> the gentleman from south carolina reserves. the gentlemen from washington is recognized. >> i yield one and a half minutes to the gentleman from new jersey, mr. anderson. >> the gentleman from new jersey is recognized for a minute and a half. >> i ask to extend my remarks. the president of the united states has spent weeks of his term negotiating with the republican party and what he is confronted with is a demand to shut down or default on the debt. i want to put this in another frame of reference as i rise in support of this bill. on a dictation when president george w. bush was president, we had a majority on our side, and we agreed to a continuing resolution, a clean, continuing resolution.
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we had many differences with president bush over the iraq war, over issues of health care, the budget, but on eight occasions president bush came to the democratic majority and asked to continue running the government, and we said yes. the principle at stake here is whether negotiation means you have to have everything you want all the time and shut the government down if you do not. that is not the way we do is miss. that is why 3/4 of the american people agree that shutting the government down over the health care law is the wrong thing to do. i yield back. >> the gentleman from washington reserves. the general and from south carolina. >> i yield two minutes to my friend and colleague, the converse one from tennessee, marsha blackburn. >> the gentlelady from tennessee is recognized for two minutes. >> thank you. we received this news yesterday that our priests and ministers could end up facing government arrest if they attempt to celebrate mass or openly
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practice their faith on military bases during this government shutdown, a shutdown we did not want. a shutdown that could've been avoided had the president and senator reid agreed to negotiate. this is so unfortunate. what we see a snowmass, no communion, no prayer, no faith, religion -- no mass, no religion. mr. speaker, what we have to realize is that religious beliefs predate government. government should not be able to tell those who are images whether they can practice their faith freely, regardless of our government funding situation, what we are seeking is accountability, transparency, and reducing what the federal government spends. government funding is irrelevant to the religious rights and freedoms that are enshrined in the first amendment of our constitution.
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and some don't get to throw away the constitution just because they are unwilling to sit down and negotiate and work with us through this process. we are not going to sit here and say even if you volunteer to serve the faithful that we are going to deny. so i ask you, mr. speaker, will our priests and ministers this weekend, some of them, on my post at fort campbell in my district, are they going to be arrested if they recite hail mary or lead in prayer? i think it is time for us to pass this legislation to agree that we let our men and women in uniform pray. let america pray. government should not arrest anyone because someone to play politics with this situation. i yield back. >> the gentleman from south
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carolina reserves. the gentleman from washington is recognized. >> i support this resolution. nobody is getting arrested for praying. i wish we could keep the debate in the realm of reality. i believe the issue is that they have been furloughed, so they are not allowed to carry on the services. i do not want that mis impression left dangling, that somehow we are arresting people for going to church. we are most certainly not. i wish the debate would remain more accurate. i want to make one other point here and while it is true, that 95 -- in 1995, president clinton talked to republicans. ultimately, he did not give them any of the policy items they were asking for. all president obama basically is saying, look, we cannot talk about dismantling our health care law and we cannot talk about adding policy writers to
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the c.r. or to the debt ceiling because we need to keep the government running. there is one other difference, which i know my republican colleagues will not address. a republican majority under newt gingrich in 1995 gave this house a vote, just like the senate has given everything you sent over to them a vote very they voted it down, but they had about. this house will not give us a vote on the c.r. if you feel as strongly about it as you do, do with the republicans in 1995 date -- written it up and voted down. that is democracy. that is in the constitution, by the way. that would be helpful. >> the gentleman from washington reserves. the gentleman from south carolina. >> mr. smith, i appreciate your support of this, but it is important because sadly information has been provided that chaplains would be subject to trespassing charges. so this does, obviously, interfere with the ability of freedom of speech and religion and assembly. i now yield two minutes to my friend and colleague, the gentleman from kansas.
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>> the gentleman from kansas is recognized for two minutes. >> mr. speaker, is it really a policy of this administration to make church services illegal, to threaten catholic priests with jail if they celebrate mass this weekend? unfortunately, this policy seems to be another tragic reflection of the complete disregard this administration has for americans of faith. what is worse -- it is an unprecedented denial of a fundamental constitutional right of our men and women in uniform. like denying access to memorials for the first time. this is the first time in 17 previous funding lapses covering 16 sundays that chaplains have been threatened with arrest if they perform their duties. secretary hagel must issue an immediate directive that chaplains should continue to perform their duties, that dod facilities used for religious services should continue to be used.
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mr. speaker, the first amendment is not some empty words on an archaic document to be viewed somewhere in a museum. for men like my uncle, father stagman, an active-duty chambliss for 30 years, the first amendment is what you do every day as a chaplain, leading, men and women of all faiths. it's something real. for a late father, who was recently awarded the medal of honor on april 11 of this year. for another father, it was not some empty words. it was what he did everyday. it was the reason he gave his life for his country. it is the reason he is honored and recognized in how he drew men and women of all faiths. in honor of military chaplains and members of the armed forces, let's strike a blow for religious liberty today and i urge my college to join me in
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supporting this resolution and sending a clear message to this administration that the right to those serving in the armed services cannot be suspended. i yield back. >> the gentleman from south carolina reserves. the gentleman from washington. the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from south carolina. >> i yield the remainder of the time to the sponsor of this resolution, the u.s. air force reserve chaplain, the gentleman from georgia, mr. doug collins. >> how much time? >> mr. smith, do you have any other speakers who you'd like to yield. >> i do not. you have the right to close. >> the gentleman from south carolina is recognized. >> i yield to the sponsor of this resolution, congress and
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doug collins, a u.s. air force reserve chaplain. >> the gentleman is recognized for his much time as he wishes to consume. >> thank the speaker and the general and from south carolina whose dedication to our men and women in uniform is among no peer in this body. i thank him for his service and that of his family and others as we come along. i tell you today, i rise, mr. speaker, really with a troubled heart, but also with one that is on behalf of the men and women in the air force and the armed forces and others that are facing something today they should not have to face. there is no doubt our nation is facing many difficulties, and we across the aisle can understand that, and the majority of standing united to fight for the
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future of her children and grandchildren here those legitimate fights, and i respect my colleagues from across the aisle. these are legitimate fights we are having here. however, today, as i stand, i came to this body looking for practical things and looking for things that amaze me at times. this is one that does. but as we do, and as we fight for others, we must ensure the basic rights of all americans are protected and do not fall victim to the political theater occurring in this body. military personnel and their families make sacrifices many of us cannot fathom, and they do so to protect the freedoms we take far too often for granted. because of their sacrifice, our nation is a beacon of hope in the dark horrors of the world where freedom of speech and religion exists -- dark corners of the world where freedom of speech and religion exists. chaplains have been facing) or spirit they cannot go even if they want to volunteer or practice their faith. each of us in this body across the nation should pause to consider, think about what i said -- if a chaplain wants to minister, a contract chaplain
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wants to minister to a military worker, they would be in violation of the law. i am a military chaplain, and this breaks my heart. too often we talk about abstracts. but today is different. today we stand with one resounding voice to tell a service members and the chaplaincy that we will not stand for the first amendment rights to be violated because the leaders in the other body want to make a point. the laws of this nation require the federal government to ensure military personnel can express their faith or non-faith in all corners of the world. that is why the chaplaincy exists. we contract with others who can provide the basis of their faith.
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general george washington issued an order on july 9, 1776, providing for a chaplain for each regiment stating "the blessing and protection of having our at all times necessary, but especially in times of public distress in danger." unsatisfied with closing off scenic overlooks and war memorials, now they must take away the blessing and protection of heaven for military families. the government has experienced numerous lapses in appropriations over the decades but never before the history of this nation has the military chaplains and those they contract with to serve our military personnel been prevented from meeting the religious and spiritual needs of
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our service members. as a chaplain, i lived alongside men and women in iraq, many were religious and many were not, but my purpose was to ensure they were able to express their first amendment rights however they wished. chaplains must be allowed and their contract counterparts must be allowed to provide religious services regardless of our nation's fiscal state. if the administration wants to play games and score points through unnecessary theatrics, so be it, but i will not stand by and let these games occur at the expense of basic rights of men and women in uniform. during this lapse in funding, active-duty chaplains are permitted to continue serving military personnel, however, there is a chronic shortage of active-duty chaplains, particular for catholic and jewish faiths. 25% of the military ascribed to the catholic faith, but yet priests make up only eight percent of the chaplains. that means 275,000 men and women in uniform are served by 200 34 active-duty priests. thus, the need to have contract chaplains. due to the shortage, it is common for the government to employ chaplains via contract. with the government shutdown,
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contact members on the world wide aces are not permitted to work, not even permitted to volunteer, even if they are the only chaplain on base. as my friend from south carolina mentioned, the research is on basic freedoms being had around here and just within this area, at langley at the navy yard, at ft. belvoir, these are all areas in which these have artie been cut back, and that is a shame. i am grateful to my colleagues who joined me this morning in the house leadership for their commitment to ensuring that military chaplains are able to serve the men and women of our armed forces. if this body does not pass this legislation, the ability of military personnel will continue to be a great risk. i have my college to join me in protecting the first amendment rights of those who gave their lives to protect ours.
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and before i close, i agree that many times we have not communicated and we do not communicate as many would want us to, but i also heard that timing was a problem here. and that we should have saw this coming. let me just say timing should never be a hindrance to this body protecting the first amendment rights of any of our citizens, and especially our military personnel. in fact, it should be our highest calling him a and that thing we run to the floor to discuss. should we have seen it coming? i tell you, what saddens me is i would have never believed that the administration or anyone else would deem protecting the constitutional right as nonessential. with that, i yield back. >> the gentleman from south carolina. >> i yield back the balance of my time.
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>> the gentleman from south carolina yield back his time here the question is will the house agree to concurrent resolution 58? those of favor say aye. those opposed, no. 2/3 being in the affirmative -- >> mr. speaker, the chairman from south carolina. >> i request the yays and nays. all of those in favor will rise and remain standing until counted. a sufficient number having risen the yays and nays are ordered. further proceedings on this motion will be postponed. [gavel bangs] for what purpose does the gentleman from ohio seek recognition? >> pursuant to house resolution 371 i call up h.r. 3223, the federal employee retroactive fairness act and ask for its consideration. >> the clerk will report the time. >> a bill to provide for the compensation of furloughed federal employees. >> pursuant to house resolution 371, the bill is considered read. the bill shall be debatable for
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40 minutes, equally divided between the chair and the ranking minority committee of oversight and government reform. the gemini from ohio, and the gentleman from maryland police control 20 minutes. the chair recognizes the gentleman from ohio, mr. turner. >> i ask unanimous consent that all members have five legislative days to advise and extend the remarks. >> so ordered. >> mr. speaker, i yield myself such time as i may consume. >> the gentleman is recognized. >> the house remains actively engaged in finding a solution to end the current impasse. the house has passed a number of
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common sense bills to fund our troops, continuing funding for veterans benefits and allow the district of columbia to spend its own funds. the house has also past legislation --the administration is refusing to use the authority granted by the pay our military act, meaning 400,000 defense civilian employees remain at home unable to work. while we wait on the president and senate to reach across the aisle, it is important to provide needed certainty to federal employees who have been furloughed without pay. each and every one of us have federal employees, most of which take pride in helping make the country a better place. civilian defense personnel at wright patterson air force base, doctors and nurses at the veterans affairs medical center, and records management
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professionals at the national archives and countless other dedicated men and women throughout my community are employed by federal agencies and have been subject to furlough. in the gulf coast, noaa employees help monitor major storms. in the aftermath of these natural disasters, workers are sent into hazardous conditions to restore broken communities. at nasa, employs up was figuratively and literally reach for the stars. they encourage future generations to not be bound by seemingly physical and intellectual barriers. our law law-enforcement agencies work tirelessly to investigate and capture those who seek to do harm to the homeland as well as our allies abroad, and the list goes on. h.r. 3223 ensures that civilian workers would receive retroactive pay for the duration of their shutdown regardless of their furlough status. federal workers who have been furloughed under a shutdown, have historically received their back pay. they are guaranteed their
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payroll resume once the president and senate democrats agreed to discussions that will resolve this impasse. i urge support for this bill as we continue to work on legislation to reopen the critical operations of the federal government. i reserve the balance of my time. >> the gentleman from maryland. the gentleman is recognized for such time as he may consume. >> i rise in strong support of h.r. 3223, the federal employee retract up a fairness act. this legislation would provide backpay to 800,000 hard-working and dedicated federal employees furloughed as a result of the government shutdown we are enduring. today is day five of the shutdown created by the tea party extremists who are harming our country by holding a government hostage. placing our economy in jeopardy by waging an ideological war to overturn the law of the land and put insurance companies back in charge of health care decisions for tens of millions of our
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fellow americans. our dedicated public servants ought to be at their duty stations serving the american people right now. they want to be working. they should be working, but instead, they are locked out because the house republicans leadership refuses to allow a vote on a clean bill to fund the government, a bill that would pass today. 17 years ago, federal workers were given back pay after newt gingrich's record 21 day shutdown in 1995 and 1996. it was the fair thing to do then, and it is the fair thing to do now. our federal employees have been under relentless and unfair attack in recent years, and have sacrificed much already.
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they have contributed $100 billion to deficit reduction through the three-year pay freeze. new employees have seen their retirement benefits slashed. on top of that, mr. speaker, many have suffered through sequester -imposed furloughs. and now many families have seen their lives disrupted by this shutdown. the least we can do for our fellow citizens who work for this great country is to give them the reassurance of knowing that they wil receive back pay. being -- the piecemeal approach being pursued by the house
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republicans over its huge parts of the government and it tends to pick and choose those who will be paid and those who will not. that is not an efficient or effective way to run the government. and the american people are sick of it, and they must be heard. h.r. 3223, and i give great credit to my colleagues mr. moran and mr. wolfe, a bipartisan group of great virginians, i applaud them, but 3223 would insure that all federal workers will be paid once this manufactured crisis is over. and the government is reopened. this is not their fault. and they should not suffer as a result. it is long past time for republicans to reopen the government. instead of disrupting the lives of our fellow citizens and wasting time and taxpayer money, house republican should reopen
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the government today. not yesterday, right now. by simply bringing to the floor a measure that funds the entire government without taking away the health care of our fellow citizens. for these reasons, i urge my colleagues to join all of us in supporting h.r. 3223, and i reserve the balance of my time. >> the gentleman from maryland reserves. the gentleman from ohio. >> i yield two minutes to the gentleman from virginia, mr. wolfe, the author of the bill we are considering today that would retroactively restore the pay to federal workers. >> i want to thank -- mr. turner and chairman rogers and his staff. i want to thank leader cantor and his staff and mr. moran and mr. cummings, and all of the staff who did this very, very quickly. this was done during the reagan and clinton administrations.
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who are the federal employees? federal employees are the fbi agents that everyone-- they got a call and said that their loved one was kidnapped, the first person they would call would be an fbi agent, a federal employee. i was with mr. hoyer two weeks ago at the navy yard. the 12 people killed at the navy yard and those that were wounded, they were federal employees. when the cno talked about it, he said they are part of the fleet. the capitol hill policeman that we all got up the other day and gave a standing ovation, they are federal employees. the v.a. doctors that are working at walter reed working on young men and women who have lost limbs, who have served in afghanistan and iraq, they are federal employees. i i was with mr. hoyer down at opm earlier this year when they had stars on the wall of 27 federal employees that died
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since 2012. and since that time, the number of stars have been added. i saw the movie "zero dark thirty." it was about catching bin laden. the woman who did that, had she been furloughed, should she not get paid? lastly, i remember being at the memorial service, if you saw the book and read the move, seven individuals died. i saw the young families that are mourning their parents, they are federal employees. 12000 cia employees have been furloughed, maybe missing that one communication from el shabab or al qaeda. i urge a strong vote for this. >> the gentleman from ohio reserves.
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the gentleman from maryland. >> i yield three minutes to the distinguish among from the state of maryland, mr. hoyer. >> the general it is recognized for three minutes. >> i want to thank the general and for yielding and i want to thank my colleague frank wolfe. there is no harder advocate, more effective advocate for federal employees. he and i have worked together for 32 years. on behalf of the interests of those people who work for the american people every day. to make them safe, healthier, more informed. i want to thank myself, the majority leader, the majority leader, the ranking member, the gentleman who offers his support of this bill, and we are five
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days into a government shutdown caused by -- i'm not sure what. as a result, approximately 800,000 middle-class workers who serve the american people are furloughed without pay. all of us talk about working americans, how we want to make sure they have the jobs they need to support themselves and their family. federal employees have been asked to accept freezes for the past four years and have endured changes to retirement benefits as well as furloughs imposed by sequester. i'm glad to see the chairman of the appropriations committee on the floor. there have been no more stronger voice on the irrationality of the sequester them my friend
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from kentucky. only my colleagues on the other side of the aisle can say with certainty when our federal government will be able to go back to work. but the american people are already noticing their absence, whether safeguarding our national parks, performing groundbreaking medical research at nih, overseen disaster relief efforts after a storm or wildfire, making sure nutrition assistance gets to children and seniors who need it or enforcing the laws that keep our communities safe, employees make a critical contribution to the country and communities and the american people they serve. we saw their selfless nature and devotion to country on display this thursday when, as the gentleman from virginia, mr. wolfe said, when u.s. capitol police personnel, federal employees that were deemed essential and were on the job without the promise of pay, protected all of us who worked in the capitol complex during a security incident. i am proud to represent 52,000 hard-working federal employees
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in my district. many of whom serve in civilian defense roles at military institutions like indianhead and westerfield, but each one of you could name the facility in your district. one of them wrote to me to express frustration. he writes, "i'm quite tired of being punished when my only crime is supporting our great nation with my labor." may i have one additional minute? >> the general it is recognized for one minute. >> i want to thank my republican colleagues for recognizing that pain and bringing this bill to the floor. i hope all of us will support this bill. another constituent of mine works at pax river said, this, " these continue to work towards a solution that ends the furloughs." mr. speaker, we must reopen our government. and we could do so today. this hour, but until the
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majority allows a vote on the bill to reopen the government, let us at least provide the dedicated, patriotic federal employees who want nothing more than to go back to work with the peace of mind that they will still be paid for their service. i want to thank mr. moran. he has been an extraordinary leader on behalf of federal employees. and congress and connolly. steve lynch, others on the republican side who have been aligned on that effort. we, the board of directors of the greatest enterprise on earth can take care of our employees and give them confidence that they deserve. i thank the speaker for the additional time. and i yield back the balance of the time. >> the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from ohio.
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>> mr. speaker, i yield a man and a half to the detriment from kentucky, mr. rogers. -- i yield a minute and a half to the gentleman from kentucky. >> this is a bipartisan bill, and i hope every member in this house will support it. i'm glad to see that at the very least the senate has plans to take up this bill. stop the presses. the senate is going to take up a bill, even if they will not consider most of our other bills. as we wait for the senate to come to the negotiating table on shutting the site down down, our the shutdown down, our federal employees should not wait to find out whether they will be paid. this bill will provide backpay for those workers who have been furlough. the house has made great strides towards this end.
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as of yesterday, the house has approved 15 different options to fund the government, sent into the senate. sadly, the only response is allowed -- a loud snore. i hope this bill, which i know is a priority for my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, will encourage this congress to find that spirit of bipartisanship that seems to have evaporated over the last two weeks. it will demonstrate that we are able to let level heads prevail, and that we can unite in our responsibility to care for the hundreds of thousands of people who served this nation day in day out. i want to thank mr. wolf and mr. moran, two fine members of our appropriations committee, for bringing this bill to the floor, and i salute them, urge my colleagues to provide our workforce with some certainty for their futures, and pass this bill. >> the gentleman from the
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maryland. >> i yield three minutes to mr. moran. >> the gentleman is recognized for three minutes. >> i thank my close friend from baltimore for yielding me the time. mr. speaker, this bill is truly bipartisan. we have 177 cosponsors, 32 republicans. it ensure all federal employees will be paid for the duration of the federal government shut down. the issue is fairness. it's just wrong for hundreds of thousands of federal employees not to know whether they are going to be able to make their mortgage payment, not to know whether they are going to be able to provide for their families. many of them live from paycheck to paycheck. and they are absolutely committed to paying their bills
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when they become due. but i'm sure that this experience has been shared by many of our colleagues. they come to our offices. in fact, just two days ago, a women came in, and she started to, matter-of-factly explain the financial situation she had. she broke down sobbing. "i don't know how i can provide for my children if i do not get my paycheck." it was not her fault. she did not do anything wrong. it was not due to any kind of performance. she is a hard worker, she has got commendations, but we decided because we have not been able to fix the budget situation that we are going to allow this government to shut down. so she is collateral damage. it is wrong. 800,000 people are suffering. this would relieve their
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anxiety. that is why it is a simple matter of fairness, mr. speaker. now, of course, on the side of the aisle, we feel strongly if we could just bring up a simple appropriations bill today, tomorrow, it would pass, because there are enough republicans that want to do that, combined with virtually all of the democrats, but whether that happens or not, when it happens, this bill does need to happen. now, it should be borne in mind, keeping these individuals at home is costing us $300 million a day in lost productivity. hundreds of federal workers have come to our office is asking us to do this, asking us more importantly to let them go back to their work. they are dedicated to their jobs. that is the underlying message let them get back to work. but in the meantime, let's get
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this past. let's bear in mind this bill is introduced in the context that over the last four years, the congress has frozen federal employees pay. we cut their pension benefits, and we furloughed thousands as a result of the sequester. accumulated impact of these punitive measures will cost each federal employee an average of $50,000 over the budgeted period. i do not think that is fair. it is not right to punish a workforce of civil servants for whom we are the board of directors. so we are responsible for this. let's do the right thing. let's get a unanimous vote for this bill simply because it is the right thing to do. thank you, mr. speaker. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from ohio. guest: >> i yield two minutes to the donovan from utah, mr. bishop. >> mr. speaker, -- >> i yield two minutes to the gentleman from utah, mr. bishop. >> -- in july, the house passed the defense appropriations bill to fund the military, including
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illegally furloughed employees, in a bipartisan effort. since july, the majority leader has yet to bring that bill to a vote. this summer we passed a bill to support -- although the attorneys are still arguing over what the word support means. but because of these examples, it is imperative that all federal employees are guaranteed they will receive the backpay that is due them. this will not cost the government extra. there is precedent. it is logical. our goal should be to start the government working. as we are looking within two weeks of this time of the debt ceiling, the issue of sequestration, entitlement reform, a senate that continues to demand the spend an extra $60 billion we do not have an obamacare, it is clear that the strategies of the past to not work. senator reid's position has one. we have nothing. and we will continue to have nothing until something new breaks this logjam. if the senate were to engage in legitimate talks with really go she asian, that could break this logjam.
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so it clear the senate attitude is the key to ending the shut down. but until that happens, it is significant that all federal employees know that they will receive their funds, and they will not become innocent victims of the senate attitude of belligerents. i yield back. >> the chair recognizes the german from maryland. >> i yield two minutes to the member of the committee from massachusetts. >> the gentleman from massachusetts is recognized for two minutes. >> i also want to thank mr. moran for his leadership and mr. wolfe is the lead sponsor, along as the ranking member of the federal workforce subcommittee, i rise in strong support of the federal employee retroactive pay fairness act. this bipartisan legislation will ensure that are more than
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800,000 federal workers who have been furloughed since october 1 will receive full back for the duration of a government shutdown. this legislation recognizes that our middle income federal employees are totally committed to serving the american people. to their great credit, our public servants have remained ready, willing, and able to perform their duties, even in the face of mandatory increases in their retirement costs, sequestration related furloughs, and as they face the likelihood of their fourth consecutive year of pay freeze imposed by this congress. given that these furloughed employees have already carry the huge burden working towards deficit reduction, it would be unjust to expect them to bear the additional cost and uncertainty of a shut down engineered by one extreme faction within the republican party. not all,but one faction within that group, who are intent on disrupting government operations for the sake of political
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brinkmanship. i would also note that these federal employees nevertheless perform mission-critical agency functions. among these employees who had been sent home by the shut down our federal aviation safety monitors, the liturgical mission, disease surveillance personnel at the centers for disease control, and also food and safety inspectors at the fda, as well as nih researchers who are engaged in experimental clinical trials that are life- and-death matters for some. so it is therefore imperative that we also passed a clean, continuing resolution so that these federal workers can immediately return to their post. again, i thank mr. moran and mr. wolfe, and i yield back the balance of my time. >> mr. speaker, i yield two minutes to the gentleman from virginia.
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>> thank you. i would like to recognize mr. wolfe and mr. moran, and for the leadership on both sides of the aisle. this is absolutely necessary. i rise in strong support of the federal employee retroactive pay fairness act. i'm proud to part of a bipartisan group of cosponsors to make sure this is something that is being done in the best interest of our great federal workforce. this bill should be called the pacer and yet, because that is exactly what it does. it provides certainty for our federal employees who, through no fault of their own, were told they were not allowed to come to work effective october 1. our nations dedicated civil servants have artie been asked to shoulder the burden of numerous efforts to reduce government spending -- have already been asked to shoulder the burden of numerous efforts to reduce government spending. i have talked to many federal employees who are willing to do their part, but like everyone else, as i said, they do not expect to shoulder these cuts alone.
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these furloughs have dedicated have impact on people's lives, and the doctors and nurses who are responsible for taking care of the men and women who served our nation, on law-enforcement officers running down leads on terrorist threats and protecting our homeland, on firefighter stations at military installations around the globe, on our capitol police, who protect your congress and capitol and on the multitudes of other federal employees who do a great job serving their nation. the only thing they want is the ability to serve. and they have all done that in the greatest way possible. and for that, they have my deepest gratitude and sincere thanks. i know the deepest gratitude and sincere thanks of all members of this body. we deeply appreciate what they do for our nation. i urge my colleagues to support this legislation and to work together to get the work of the nation done. mr. speaker, i yield back the balance of my time. >> the gentleman yield back the balance.
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the chair recognizes the gentleman from maryland. >> i yield two minutes to the ranking member of our government ops subcommittee, mr. connolly. >> thank you, mr. speaker. mr. speaker, it's been an orwellian week in which black is white and white black. we have members that vote for the shut down who appeared surprised that that led to the closure of national parks, which did not stop some of them from berating park federal employees from enforcing the shut down. we have other members in this orwellian week, saying the shutdown is all about respect and we have got to get something out of this. we just do not know what it is. so finally, a moment of decency. finally, we turn to the men and
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women who serve our country. 800,000 employees and we do something decent for them. we alleviate the angst of whether there will be a paycheck when we get around to reopening the government. one of those workers received the prestigious service to america medal in recognition of his exemplary leadership of the 6000 person team that conceived and executed nasa's incredible curiosity rover mars mission. america is on a legally fortunate to have -- is fortunate to have this outlook worker whose public service should be celebrated and appreciated and compensated. on october 1, dave was one of the nasa employees deemed nonessential and was furlough.
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the irony was that dave had to consult the ethics office to see if he could go to his own awards ceremony because of the nonessential status. that is what we are reduced to. today's bill at least redresses one wrong in this otherwise orwellian exercise called the shutdown. i yield back. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from ohio. >> i yield two minutes to the gentleman from nebraska. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i want to thank the gentleman from virginia for their effort but also for personally coming up and asking me to be an early advocate of this very important bill. like them, i have many constituents that are federal employees that are furloughed
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right now, including most of the majority of them being civilian employees. the legislation we are considering here today will make sure the 800,000 federal employees are paid for the time lost or off work during this impasse. we worked in a bipartisan effort to make sure our military would be paid and included in that bill was very clear language that protected civilian dod workers from furlough. unfortunately, and a bizarre what is the definition of is is the white house and dod, they furloughed 60% to 70% of the civilian employees where there are critical missions in danger in our country. where webill like this
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come together in a bipartisan way and we can reduce some level give sometion and level of peace of mind to those employees that they will be reimbursed for their time off, that they will get paid, i want employees put those back to work at it is -- as it is clearly in the law. there is historical precedent for this. there are six close down the employees were paid and so it should be for this effort. this is bipartisan. the president has said he will sign this and i urge my colleagues to support this effort. i yield back. minute to the ranking member of the committee,
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mr. van hollen from maryland. >> enqueue. and i think my friend from maryland. no one should be made to suffer for actions that are no fault of their own. i'm very pleased we are taking up this measure to make sure federal workers who are among the many innocent victims of this government shutdown will be held harmless in the long run. but this important measure simply highlights the sheer folly of keeping the federal government shut down for one additional minute. these are public servants who are paid to do what they love to do, to serve the public. so for goodness sakes, let them all get back to work for the public now. the doesn't say let's pay federal employees at fema agreed let's just pay the federal and full 80s -- federal employees at the national part, it doesn't
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say let's just pay at the cherry picking agencies that our republican colleagues have got to the floor, it is a sure we've got all federal employees and let's open the entire feral government and let's do it now. let us have a vote on that simple proposition. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from ohio. >> i yield one minute to the gentlelady from michigan, mrs. miller. >> the chair recognizes the gentlelady from michigan. >> i support this bill which will make sure workers furloughed because of the shutdown are paid. i will also point out the average employees salary, what i don't understand why my colleagues in the other side of the aisle, how they can side which of the funding bills are worthy of their support because this week, they said no to opening up our national orioles or opening our national parks
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like the grand canyon, but they are saying yes to federal workers, no two veterans benefits, no two women and babies on food assistance, no two children with cancer treatments, but yes to paying federal workers. no to the national guard and reserve and yes to other federal workers. clearly, it's time for both sides to sit down in a conference to negotiate a compromise in a bipartisan manner and end this shutdown. the chair lady recognizes the gentleman from maryland. >> we say yes to opening the entire government. with that, i yield to my distinguished colleague from washington for 45 seconds. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from washington. >> i rise and strongly support this bill. federal workers have borne the brunt of congress's failure to
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deal with the long-term budget issues. going three years without a cost-of-living adjustment, facing furloughs from sequestration and now the uncertainty of further reductions in pay because of the shutdown. enough is enough. this shutdown is having a big impact not just on dod workers in the a workers and others facing furloughs, but on our entire community. they want to make a home payment or buy a tv, that affects our economy. that is why i'm introducing legislation to provide backward pay to compensate them for sequestration related furloughs as well. we must and this partisan bickering, and the gridlock, and get congress and the government back to work. >> >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from ohio. >> the chair recognizes the joan from colorado. of these in support
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federal employees retroactive pay fairness act. an issue of fairness. five days ago, the president , however,legislation hours later, the dod control or send an e-mail to all dod civilian employees who were included in the act which is now law. that there would be furloughs starting immediately. despite acknowledgment of the new law grade media sources reported the secretary of defense had a change of heart. no doubt due to the multitude of letters he had received from me and my colleagues on the subject and decided to bring these furloughed employees back to work. shame if the thousands of dod civilian employees who were needlessly furloughed were not paid for time they could have spent
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working had the secretary given the same level of a party to tos issue that needed college football. thank you and i yield back. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from maryland. i yield 45 seconds to the congressman from new mexico. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from new mexico. >> i rise in support of this bill which is important to new mexico.oyees in it's also important for contract employees who work at our next labs and it's clear congress intends to provide vital services. treat labs sought to employees the same as federal employees. this legislation sets a precedent for how these employees will be treated. we are sending the message they should certify backpay for lab employees as an allowable cost so they would be made whole if they are furloughed. i request unanimous consent
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expressing congressional intent to provide vital services from our nation -- >> your time is expired. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from ohio. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from illinois. see thiseased to chamber is moving forward with yet another bill to fund our government. today, we are ensuring all federal employees are paid so their families are not harmed during this time. i know how these families field because i was a federal employee for 16 years great i'm also proud to represent scott air force base in the metro east area of illinois. whether they are active-duty, guard or retired, we must take care of our military. the house has acted to ensure these men and women are paid, but unfortunately, this administration has those needless to furloughed workers. with these hard-
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working men and women and stand against this administration who always seems to find a way to make situations like this as painful as possible. we have been told to make things difficult for people as much as we can set a park ranger this weekend to reporters. i had a similar experience. we were at risk of losing our control tower even though we told the administration how they could shift the money around. to solve this problem, we had to stand on the floor and pass a bill and now the tower remains open. bill andhad to pass a pass a bill now to stop this behavior. i'm offended by the punitive behavior of this white house then and today. i stand with all military personnel. >> i yield back the balance of my time.
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.> i yield 45 seconds >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from texas. >> i rise in support of the bipartisan bill, the federal employee retroactive pay fairness act. today is the fifth day of the government shutdown. 87% of americans expressed in a political poll unhappiness with the direction of washington with this shutdown. federal employees are dedicated public servants just trying to -- to dojobs area their jobs. they did not ask to be furloughed and had no time to plan financially for this crisis ofught on the stubbornness the republican party. it seems to me that by supporting this bill, we are not trying to give them a paid vacation. if my colleagues on the other side of the aisle would bring a clean cr to the floor, they can all be back at work on monday.
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these families are victims of the dysfunction of this congress. >> the gentleman's time is expired. the chair recognizes the gentleman from ohio. >> i yield one minute to the gentleman from texas. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from texas. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i rise today in support of this bill to guarantee our federal workers are paid. they should not be the innocent pawns in the middle of a debate caused by us unable to work with the senate. we are ready, willing and able to talk but we need to ratchet down the rhetoric a little bit and make sure our employees get paid and get taken care of and make sure the men and women who work in places in my district like the naval air systems -- naval air station corpus christi, like the aransas wildlife refuge are secure and safe. we need to get this done and the republicans are trying to lessen
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the impact. we passed bill after bill, something to fund the entire government, including most of obamacare with the exception of the individual mandate. we are ready, willing and able to negotiate and i called the senate to come and talk to us so we can get this done. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from maryland. >> we could get it done today. with that, yield to my colleague .rom maryland >> the chair recognizes the congress woman from maryland. >> i asked to advise of xmi remarks. >> ok. >> i rise in support of this bill and speak in support of tracy and laurel who lives in my district who works at hhs and helps her mom out every month salary. federal christopher and his wife, both of whom work at the department of homeland security in both on
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furlough. hill single-parent in oxon who has already been furloughed the summer and suffers mightily. i think this is the right thing to do, but let's keep in mind the longer we stay out meeting the day to day needs of our federal workforce is really tough. really these people will struggle even if they are guaranteed retroactive pay. it's time for us to get the entire government back to work. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from ohio. >> i yield one and to the gentleman from pennsylvania. this morning, i rise in strong support of the federal employee retroactive pay fairness act. federal workers from western pennsylvania have reached out to my office, concerned about the impact of this shutdown on their family budget. felloworkers serve their citizens. we recognize and thank them for
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that service. paybill will retroactively employees furloughed during the government shutdown. federal workers in pennsylvania and around the nation should not be punished for the senate's refusal to come to the table and at this shutdown. i urge my republican and democratic colleagues to pass this bill. i yield back. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from maryland. >> may i inquire as to how much time we have, both sides. >> the gentleman from maryland has one minute remaining. the gentleman from ohio has three minutes remaining. >> i yield 15 seconds to the gentleman from north carolina, mr. butterfield. thehe chair recognizes general and from north carolina. >> thank you for yielding. esther speaker, i was walking on the floor moments ago at my colleague on the other side said this failure to pass a cr was punitive behavior of this white house. i cannot allow that to go unanswered.
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there are 260 votes right now in this chamber to pass a clean cr. >> the gentleman's time is expired. balance of oure time. >> the gentleman reserves the balance of his time. the chair recognizes the gentleman from maryland. whether digital and has additional speakers? i yield myself 45 seconds. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from maryland. >> it is critical the house bill to ensure our dedicated federal employees are made whole and received act pay once this shutdown comes to an end great federal employees have been the subject of relentless attacks on their pay and benefits over the last three years. this will is the least we should do. our hard-working public servants should not become collateral damage in the political games and ideological wars republicans
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are waging. i would hope we would have a unanimous vote because there are so many people living from paycheck to paycheck and they need our vote. i would suggest we open up the government, the entire government, so all of our employees can get back to work. and i yield back. >> the gentleman yield back the balance of his time. the chair now recognizes the gentleman from ohio. >> the other side of the aisle would have us believe this shutdown is somehow a republican engineered shutdown. they would have you leave the government only shutdown with republican leadership that we know that's not the case. government shuts down when there's a failure of the democratic rosses to work and parties to negotiate in good faith and the deliberative rosses of democracy to move forward. the president has shut that down with his refusal to negotiate. the government shutdown when mr. reagan was in the white house under president reagan. the democrat-controlled white
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house shut the government down a total of eight times for 14 days. the democrat-controlled congress shut the government down under reagan for longer than it has been shut down now. under mr. clinton, the house also shut the government down and in each of those instances, there was something different than what is now. that is that there were negotiations going on. president reagan was negotiating with house and senate. president clinton was negotiating with the house and senate. this president has said no negotiations. this president will negotiate with syria, iran, and have secret negotiations with russia, but he will not negotiate with the legislature. what won't he negotiate over? he will negotiate over the debt limit or you want to take the country from $17 trillion to $19 trillion. he will negotiate on his sequestration. and my community, there are 12,000 people furloughed. the president will not negotiate on his sequester.
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the president will not negotiate on funding the government. we have sent countless bills that would reopen the national parks and fund the veterans and allow washington, d.c. to spend its own funds and harry reid heartlessly has said in response to these bills why would we do that? we know the president is playing politics because this house and the senate passed the pay our military act was signed by the president of the united states. i have two letters i would like to get into the record. >> without objection. >> questioning why he would have furloughed the workers. my jurisdiction were furloughed. even though the president had full authority to fund them. he's going to be calling them back. he's calling them back without any other passage of any law he has signed. the president is admitting he has been playing politics.
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it needs to stop so our federal workers do not have to worry about their pay and do not have to worry about the impacts of their personal lives. they have house payments to make and while the kid -- while the president refuses to negotiate, they should not worry about whether they can make ends meet. the pay and itore yield back. >> the house went on to unanimously approve retroactive pay for government workers during the shutdown. it is now up to the senate which has not yet scheduled debate on the house bill area the government shutdown begins its second week today and the treasury department predicts the debt limit will be hit in 10 days. yesterday, on one of the sunday morning shows, house speaker john boehner was asked about the house approving a funding bill clear from health care law action. here's what he had to say. >> we're not going to pass a
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clean debt limit increase. there is no way we are going to pass it. the votes are not in the house to pass a clean debt limit. the president is risking default by not having a conversation with us. >> under no circumstances will you pass a clean bill? >> we are not going down that path. it's time to deal with america's problems. how can you raise the debt limit and do nothing about the underlying problem? we have spent more than we have brought in for lab -- for the last 55 of 60 years. the government this year got more revenue than any year in the history of our country and we're still going to have a $700 billion budget deficit. we are squandering the future for our kids and grandkids by not dealing with this problem. leaders harryrity 's office released a seven saying they house republican leader has a credibility problem. --
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the house meets at noon eastern for morning our trade we expect to hear more from members about the ongoing government shutdown. at 2:00 eastern, and house will consider a bill providing funds to the fda through december 15. it's one of a number of such bills the house will be considering this week. today's white house briefing is set for 1:00 eastern. if the houses out of session, we will bring that to you live and take lessons from reporters about the government shutdown. the senate homeland security committee will hold a hearing this afternoon on possible fraud and abuse and social security benefits for the disabled. current and former officials will testify along with several doctors. that will be live beginning at
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3:00 eastern on c-span3. >> this is the school for the deaf where calvin and grace met for the first time. she was living in a dormitory here. is bedroomn grace and a dormitory building. i could look out and see tell them across the building. the room below them was available for them to meet at then. in this room is where calvin and grace and they were courting would meet up and have time together. despite him being in his 30s and her in her 20s, they had to abide by the rules and meet somewhere where they were supervised and chaperoned on campus. >> meet first lady grace coolidge tonight at 9:00 eastern
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on c-span and c-span3 and on highest court is beginning a new term today. yesterday, justices held the annual red mass conducted at the start of each term. this is supreme court chief justice john roberts with cardinal -- the archbishop of washington. the service date back to 1928, it is intended to invoke blessings on those as possible for the administration of justice. it was attended by members of congress and the courts and other washington dignitaries. here's a look at some of the other attendees.
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new supreme court term began today. the court has announced cases it will not hear. we talked couple of supreme
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court reporters about what cases they might hear. host: i want to begin with the senior correspondent from the "washington examiner." let's begin with what we heard on a sunday talk shows from house speaker john boehner. what did he have to say? i reported friday late afternoon evening that i don't expect a clean debt ceiling bill to be brought to the house floor. there are not enough republican votes in the house to get through. there are some people who think , and senate republicans are not going to provide the votes necessary for a 60 vote bill. that is what they are telling me. given all the speculation over the past week that that was
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something he would do, it's possible he felt he needed to make it clear that he was not going to want negotiations with the president to do something on the debt and deficit as a part of the debt ceiling. >> let's show our viewers what speaker john boehner had to say yesterday when he was on abc's "this week. clip -- deo >> the president is risking default by not having a conversation with us. >> we are not knowing down that path. it is time to deal with america 's problems. how can you raise the debt limit and not do anything about the underlying problem? we've spent more than we have brought in for the last 55 of 60 years. this year, the federal
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government will have more revenue and history of our country and we will still have nearly $700 billion budget deficit. we are squandering the future for our kids and grandkids by not dealing with this problem. there, whatspeaker are republicans saying they want in exchange for raising the debt ceiling? lex we are not sure yet. what they want are reforms that would have to do with entitlements and spending, economic roads and other things. they are putting together some sort of legislative vehicle to do all of that. could look very similar to the bill republicans had intended the past couple of toks ago before they decided give it to the continuing resolution. going to lookbly for something in regard to the affordable care act, whether it's the medical device tax
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repeal or something else. but they have been pretty clear all along that they expect to do something with the debt ceiling other than a clean debt ceiling increase. in many ways, it would be tougher for the republicans to push a clean debt ceiling than a clean cr even though many republicans did not want to go this route with the government shutdown. pass a clean continuing resolution and focus on negotiations on the debt the link. but you don't have the same level of support at all for anything resembling a clean debt ceiling the way you do a clean cr. over the next few days, we will know what they are angling to andtiate as a part of that it's whether those negotiations happen. >> what did we hear from the
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administration yesterday? >> the same. they are not going to negotiate on raising the federal borrowing limit. to set a are trying precedent set in 2011 that this is something you negotiate over. senate democrats and the administration are ahead of them on this, so we will have to see what happens. >> what does this mean for the government shutdown? >> it means that probably the government is shut down until the debt ceiling is resolved. both sides are pretty done again on this issue. if you ask them why, they will say, imagine what the other side will do if we give here. of these things end up getting wrapped together. the debt ceiling has to be october 17, next week on thursday. the closer we get to that, the harder it is to solve the issue of the government shutdown without one side or the other worrying they are going to lose
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their negotiating leverage. i think it's all going to be decisionp into one big and whatever they can solve, they will solve both of them together. do people call this a partial government shutdown? guest: because not everything has gone dark. when the shutdown that started, immediately there some agencies related to national security and other things that did not shut down. the congress passed the bill making sure members of the military get paid. aree are other things that up and running. the u.s. postal service, so it is not a 100% shutdown. the impact can still be pretty severe but it is not 100%. senate areouse and
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in session today. what do you expect they are working on? nothing important. the house will be in and the senate will be in and of less anything has changed over the weekend we are not aware of, i expect the house to continue to work on some of these piecemeal bills as we have been calling them. the senate will today passed a bill making sure for load federal employees get paid, or their back pay once the shutdown is over. other than that, i don't expect much. thank you for your time. our cameras outside the supreme court this morning as it begins its new term for the 2013-2014 year. the court has a deep docket with reversals possible. that's where workers are
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preparing for this new term and it is incumbent upon the clerks of the supreme court to do that job. we have two former clerks with us here. one is a former clerk for justice breyer. goodwinrtner at partners and work for justice scalia. clerk do?a law >> a short answer is the law clerk does whatever the justice needs. the justices use their law clerks in different ways. there are -- they are all individual bosses of their small chambers. it's like having an enterprise was just a few employees in the justice sets the cairo the cat -- sets the tone. complicatedugh cases with a lot of facts and transcripts, justice breyer likes to tell the world he has had his law clerks read every case ever written about a
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particular subject. justice scalia, my old boss, uses law clerks were very short do the firstnd to draft of opinions. but as he has said himself many times, he rewrites them heavily. host: did you experience at first hand? what: absolutely. host: have the law clerks tend to prepare for today? guest: one of the supporting roles is to do whatever is necessary to get the justice ready. i can speak personally about justice breyer's process. the clerks will have written bench memos typically and these thatemos to the justice take a first shot at analyzing the case, giving the clerks asked perspective after having done research and reading the brief and digging deeper beyond the briefs to give the justice a real sense of where the key
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pivot points lie. sometimes it will be the case that the justice has come with preliminary thoughts, here are a few things i'm interested in. special timespend preparing those issues and it will essentially be a written memorandum. a dialogue between the justice and the clerks essentially using the clerks as a sounding board before argument. those are some of the steps that go win before the pre-oral argument stage. the cases that are picked, how many do the law clerks have to sift through and are they essentially the gatekeeper to these cases? the justices are definitely the gatekeepers. the law clerks job is to do a first cut at the many petitions
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which are requests for the supreme court to review a lower court decision. there are thousands. i thought i saw a figure that said over eight house and. guest: of those, more than half are unpaid, meaning they are prepared, less formal fashion, often by people who cannot afford a lawyer or who have had lawyers appointed for them and they run the gamut. some of them are just as sophisticated and meritorious as any other petition and some of them are difficult to understand, and written, and perhaps need a little extra sifting before you can even understand what is. case so a petition for a
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to be heard, that is hard to understand, what does the law clerk do? i think the role in that type of case is important because the arguments are not as refined and distilled as if you hired a repeat player supreme court practitioner. the law clerk's job is to delve in and see if there is a potentially cert or the issue that might warrant the supreme court's review and to lay that out in the petition. one of the main criteria in determining whether the supreme court should take a case is andher there is a conflict whether the supreme court feels it is its role to step in and clear that and the clerk will try to look at the case and see if there really is a conflict here that would warrant the supreme court's intervention. host: has that happened before?
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yes.: there were at least two last term. i argued one of those cases and was on the opposite side in fire a lawyer let a person -- file his own petition. so it does happen. it does not happen often but it happens regularly. does, and one of the jobs of the law clerk during the first cut is to make sure it even if the issues are not presented in as sophisticated a way as a washington supreme court practice might do, if this the kind of question the court should be taken up, that it is brought to the justices attention. clear that theit court has ways of making sure once the case is taken up, it gets the full benefit of an adversary presentation. the court appointed a friend of the court, a distinguished
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alumnus to argue the case. the court had top-notch advocates on both sides. case that started coming out of guam. one of the interesting things about the process is this is one of the cases where they are not working individually for their particular justice or -- but for eight of the nine justices collectively. it is called the cert pool. about these memo cases that is distributed to eight of the nine justices. historically one justice has sat out of the pool and has had his ,r her clerks screen the cases all 8000 cases on their own and reports directly to the justices which makes for the second set of clerk eyes. this is a different function where you are pinpointing
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argument toward your justice. here, you are trying to provide an objective analysis of whether it meets certain criteria we have talked about. of then the first day new term for the supreme court, we are talking about the role of the law clerk. we want to show you a --pilation of former current former and current justices talking about the role. ] ideo clip >> something different goes on here than in the capitol building are white house and you need to understand how important it is to our system of government. >> this is the highest court in created ithe framers after studying the great lawgivers in history. >> the government can see the structure of documents in anticipation of receiving. >> these cases are close and you go win on a knife's edge.
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you don't decide who ought to win. we decide who wins under the law the people have adopted. by thewould be surprised high level of collegiality here. >> if there are four of nine of us who want to hear in these thes, we will hear it. >> job is to decide. we decide. >> we cannot have a position of this court. >> you have to do your best to as it right and work as hard you can to get it right. >> why is it that we have an elegant, stylish linley beautiful, impressive structure? it is to remind us we have an important function and to remind the public when it sees the andding of the importance centrality of the law. >> it always thrills me, amazes me, and gives me faith in our country to know how much people
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trust the courts. i think the danger is sometime you come into a building like this and think it is all about you or that you are important. that's something i don't think works well with this job. that is from our 2010 supreme court documentary. comments from current and former justices as we mark the opening day of the supreme court. with sr two former law clerks to tell us about the job at the court. what did you hear from the inrent and former justices that little bit we showed? guest: it shows that they take the job incredibly seriously. the court is often portrayed as a partisan institution and if
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you read the tone of the opinion, it sometimes seems as if it becomes personal. but i don't think that at all as you heard from the justices how they approached the job. they are trying to get these incredibly difficult issues. the lower courts have come down on both sides of the issue and they are doing their best to get it right and that's the take away from that piece. as much as it may seem personal topartisan, this is trying get to the right answer on exceedingly difficult issues where the right answer is just not obvious. >> you heard from one of the justices saying it only takes four of us. why not five? guest: the shortest version for that is that that early stage, that is a safety valve. laterh justice may decide that they got something wrong. the fact that four justices think this is an important enough issue to hear is important enough to rate it
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should not be a majority of the court has already made up its mind. this is a preliminary decision. dan is up first in charlotte, and carolina. caller: thank you for allowing another state to participate this morning. i think the justices are going to be considering the desperate impact. one of the cases coming up, the case for the obama administration has been overly aggressive in trying to use statistical analysis to see whether major companies or mortgage lenders and banks and insurers are treating all racial groups fairly and not even considering credit histories and that sort of thing. if there are x number of people in the world, all should have a similar outcome.
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i wonder if these law clerks could speak to what has happened and whether the court has leaned so far to the left that they will uphold these attacks on -- majorpanies area companies. case the caller is referring to is from new jersey and involves the fair housing act. as the caller said, the question here is whether you can establish whether someone has violated these fair housing act. impact of a practice on different racial groups, for example. is establishedt in discrimination law but whether it can be applied to other statues -- other statutes has been a question in the past. what issue before we get
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to the merits is whether the court will end up deciding this issue at the end of the day. government made fairly aggressive efforts to settle that case and the parties eventually ended up settling that case. this has come back before the court and i think -- there was a report in the newspaper that party for making some effort to settle this case. it remains to be seen whether we have oral argument and whether this case is around for the court to decide, which is clearly interested in deciding. it has taken this issue up two times. it is whether the parties are given an opportunity. host: we are talking with two former law clerks about this term and the former term. >> on the fair housing case, it
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is a question about the balance of power between the legislative and executive branches. the obama administration have gone through the process saying they are right and they are asking the court to defer to their it judgment. >> if you have questions or comments about the court, you can dial in now. jeff is up next in spencer, west virginia, and independent color. caller: good morning, gentlemen. other then committing a crime or getting caught in an unethical way al, is there any supreme court judge can be removed? --guest: i think the bar is going to be pretty hype. there would have to be impeachment seedings -- him pre-
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-- in peachpit hearings to remove a sitting supreme court justice. it would have to be something that rises to that level the collar a looted to. >> the constitution sets out a very clear but not very specific standard. it is good behavior and good behavior is ultimately whatever the house and one third plus one of the senate decide that it is. impeachment of justice samuel chase in the 1790s, this has not been a big issue. >> the law clerks that work for the justices -- guest: i guess i misunderstood the question. how are law clerks hired? is a littlerocess bit of a mystery. it's a fairly competitive process. each justice has four law clerks. so there are not very many slots
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and there are a lot of law students who want to do this. some justices employ a screening committee to take the first crack at sorting through. some tackle the applications themselves. there is some basic cutoffs, whether the person has had a higher clerkship, especially a andt of appeals clerkship, then i think once you get beyond those cutoffs and narrow the judgeshere's a group of known inside baseball as feeder judges. they regularly send their law clerks to the supreme court's and regularly have relationships with they have come to trust the selection process and then i think there is a personal fit. certainices interview a number of candidates once they ate narrowed the pool and
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that point, all of the candidates are qualified. is it political? see the rest of this in the c-span video library. the house is about to gavel in. members about to begin the morning our. we expect to hear about the government shutdown, now in its second week. live coverage, here on c-span. the speaker pro tempore: the house will be in order. the chair lays before the house a communication from the speaker. the clerk: the speaker's rooms, washington, d.c. october 7, 2013. i hereby appoint the honorable george holding to act as speaker pro tempore on this day. signed, john a. boehner, speaker of the house of representatives. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to the order of the house of january 3, 2013, the chair will now recognize members from lists submitted by the